EPISODE 208 WITH ANGIE COLEE: REBEL ENTREPRENEURSHIP, AN UNCONVENTIONAL APPROACH TO BUSINESS

Ready Yet?! Podcast Episode 207 with guest Angie Colee: Rebel Entrepreneurship, An Unconventional Approach to Business

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Erin Marcus: All right. Hello. Hello. Hello. Welcome to this episode of the ready yet podcast with my guest today, who has a sign behind her said you got this, which is exactly how I ended my social posts that I wrote earlier today. You got this. The amazing Angie Coley. Now we’ve had some conversations. I can’t wait to have more conversations and share your brilliance with everybody.

Erin Marcus: So before we get into me asking you a million questions, why don’t you tell everybody a little bit about who you are, what you do, all the formal fancy stuff.

Angie Colee: Oh, formal fancy. Let’s get right into it with my official title, which is Business Mentor for Rule Breakers and Rebels. That’s actually like a super recent development because I did that thing that a lot of entrepreneurs do and constantly made it harder than it had to be and was like, Sing all kinds of baths for myself and got myself caught in a loop where I was like, I’m frustrated with the way I used to do things.

Angie Colee: So instead of changing the way I used to do things, I’m going to burn it all down and become a leadership consultant.

Erin Marcus: Sometimes it’s fun that way though.

Angie Colee: Handbeak, especially since I’m one of those people that deals with anxiety spouts by just like building. I can build entire funnels inside a day, like, that’s my

Erin Marcus: happy place.

Erin Marcus: I put ducks in a row when I’m stressed out.

Angie Colee: Yes, organizing the ducks, herding the cats, that’s what makes me feel really good when things hit the fan. I had

Erin Marcus: a, I had a friend, she lives across the street, and I didn’t realize this, because she was always at my house, and then one day she shared with me her situation, and she was a hoarder.

Erin Marcus: And You know, wonderful human one, never would have gasped that she was having that challenge. And so we did this thing where for several months, I would go over to her house on Fridays after work and we’d order pizza and we’d work on stuff, right? Her main thing she hoarded was clothes. So there was just piles and piles of clothes, right?

Erin Marcus: It wasn’t gross. It was just stuff. And she asked me, you’ll appreciate this. She asked me why I was doing this for her. And I said, you don’t understand my stress relief is. Organizing. My house cannot be more, like, I’m done. I can’t re or, it’s done. So now, like, yeah, it’s helping you, but you don’t understand.

Erin Marcus: Like, this is massive stress relief for me.

Angie Colee: I’m getting something out of this, too. It’s okay.

Erin Marcus: I’m organizing things. Yes, I feel more in control of my

Angie Colee: world. Yes. I know how that goes. So yeah, I mean, that’s, that’s it. Basically, I work with creators and creative service providers and thought leaders specifically on helping them turn their ideas into a viable business and figuring out how to think like a business owner instead of an employee, which if that’s how you think it’s not your fault, because we’ve all been raised that way, especially here in the States.

Angie Colee: Well, and here’s

Erin Marcus: the thing, like, and I think That’s a really good point because I so many and I have the same clientele and they’re high achievers and when you have clients who are high achievers, they think they’re all they think they’re not supposed to have any challenges and then they beat themselves up so bad for not knowing things they didn’t know.

Angie Colee: Yeah, or they take it like they can swing that pendulum I found one and tell me if you notice this too. It’s either that it has to be really simple or it has to be really freaking. Oh, yeah.

Erin Marcus: That’s the pendulum theory. Yes. Here’s the deal. You will move forward. You, me, everyone. We will all move forward.

Erin Marcus: With the pendulum.

Angie Colee: The more

Erin Marcus: narrow the pendulum swings, the less it hurts when it

Angie Colee: hits you. Amen. Amen. It doesn’t have to go wildly. Right.

Erin Marcus: Exactly. Right. So, like, I have in Chicago here we have the Museum of Science and Industry and there’s this stairwell with this pendulum, right? The, the, Perpetual motion thing.

Erin Marcus: And that’s the image I have because this sucker was huge. And my thoughts are always, how can I keep that pendulum narrow because I can’t stop it. Let’s face it, I can’t stop it. But I don’t have to get knocked on my ass by it

Angie Colee: either. Exactly. I think what you said there was brilliant. We try to stop it under this misguided notion that life is somehow just not constant motion.

Angie Colee: That’s what it is. You don’t climb to the top of the pedestal and then just stay there for the rest of your life. You got to come down and go to the bathroom, my friends. You’re going to want to sit on your butt at some point. So like, it’s not stillness, it’s motion. It’s learning how to ride the waves, if you need another colorful metaphor here.

Angie Colee: But yeah, that’s, you just learn how to lessen the wildness of the swings. That makes it a lot easier on you. And that brings up You know, another interesting point that I’ve noticed with a lot of entrepreneurs, not just creative ones, but the tendency to not recognize our own genius because we assume so many other people have that same set of skills because it’s so natural to us.

Angie Colee: It’s totally true.

Erin Marcus: So I’m curious how you describe that to people. I have that conversation constantly.

Angie Colee: I don’t know that I’ve given it a specific name, but I know at one point I had an experience on one of the teams that I used to work on. And There, there were folks on the team who didn’t consider themselves writing, writers, my background is writing, and they would always try to, because of their struggle with writing, they would always try to make it easy on me and the writing team by giving us a first draft, something that they’d usually struggled over for a couple of weeks, and I would say, oh, my friends, I don’t, I don’t know how else to tell you, like, if you just Meet with me when you’re trying to write this email, answer my questions.

Angie Colee: I can whip this up in about 15 minutes and save you two weeks of self judgment and agonizing and stress. And I could tell that they didn’t believe me. So I met with one of the team leads one day about this email that she had been working on, and I asked her my standard list of questions. And I’m sharing my screen on a Zoom call.

Angie Colee: And I think I, I deleted one line and I edited another line and I said, all right, let’s read this out loud and see if it answers. What you needed it to do and she goes what kind of witchcraft did you just like I just watched you do sorcery I don’t understand how you made two changes and changed the entire meaning of this and that was really the first time that it clicked For me that my ability my way of words with words isn’t something that everybody else shares it’s not universal and Now I just try and share that with everybody like What makes you special, what comes easy to you, does not come easy to everybody else, and you can make a really good living doing what’s easy for you that’s hard for other people.

Erin Marcus: I absolutely and it’s it makes your life easier to stay there. Like one of the things that I’ve been lucky about coming out of corporate, this idea of delegating was very much in my favor. I don’t, you know, the way I describe it is if I would have gone into the marketing office and logged into the computer and tried to start changing the website, I would have gotten chased out with pitchforks and, you know, torches.

Erin Marcus: So why would I do that now? Right? It’s like, but what is it about even try achieving amazing people that as soon as they say, I’m a business owner, I’m an entrepreneur, instead of I’m an employee, they think the magic button. Is now I have to know how to do everything, do everything myself and suffer until

Angie Colee: it works.

Angie Colee: Yeah And I mean, I think there’s two things at play here. One is delegation versus abdication, right? And I think you nailed it. We do want to know how these things work together because you don’t want to just hand off a piece of your business to somebody who builds an entire system that you have no idea how to operate, right?

Angie Colee: Then you’re, you’re being held hostage by somebody because you don’t know what they built and you don’t know how it works. But then the other aspect of this is, Oh, wow. I just lost that train of thought. Well, but to their

Erin Marcus: point, it’s humans, we’re so all or nothing that we think if we don’t know every little piece to your point, every little piece of it, then we’re going to be in trouble.

Erin Marcus: I truthfully don’t know how to do a lot of the backend things in this business. Now the step by step is all documented. It is all in the standard operating procedures folder. So if I had to. I could do it, but in the interim, I managed to the outcomes.

Angie Colee: Oh, you just jogged my memory. It’s fantastic. The other thing I was going to say was you’re going to spend money.

Angie Colee: You’re going to spend either way, but you have to decide whether time or money is more expensive to you. So in a pinch, if you didn’t have a contractor, because you’ve invested in those SOPs, you could step in and spend your time doing that. I’m doing a bad

Erin Marcus: job at it, though. No,

Angie Colee: you’re not the best. Doing not

Erin Marcus: the best.

Erin Marcus: Doing a really bad job at it. That’s one of my sayings. Don’t do, don’t take a long time to do a bad job at what somebody else can take a short time doing a good job at.

Angie Colee: Powder for those in the back. You don’t have to do it all yourself.

Erin Marcus: No, and, and truthfully, for the solopreneur, for the newer entrepreneur, it can be so, you know, they say lonely, because we think we’re the only ones going through the struggle because we believe everybody else’s marketing to be their entire reality, even though they never coined it to be, right?

Angie Colee: Yeah, we compare our backstage, I don’t know if I can swear or not, but the crap show. I was like, we compare our backstage shit show to somebody else’s fully edited Broadway production with millions of dollars behind it, right? And we assume that we’re missing something where the more accurate comparison is your backstage shit show to theirs or beginner you to beginner them.

Erin Marcus: Right. So how did you decide, you know, you, you described your clients pretty specifically as the rebels. How did you decide? And one of the things I talk a lot about is this, this concept of client avatar. Okay. People roll their eyes at me when I say that. So I’ve changed it to, who do you want to talk to?

Erin Marcus: Like when you’re putting together your content, who do you want to talk to? People will answer that question for me. If I ask them about their avatar, I get, you know, Daggers.

Angie Colee: Such a shutdown question.

Erin Marcus: Right, oh my god, like what is the big deal? But, how important it is to have those psychographics and who you really want, not just the demographic of a 35 year old female, who the hell cares?

Erin Marcus: But that psychographic, so how did you, On the same way, the rebels, the people going for more, no rules, how did you figure out, well I think it’s obvious how you figured out those rules, you’re people, you’re like me.

Angie Colee: I am definitely like you, you are one of my heroes, I want, I, yeah, we’re definitely finding a way to work together because I think our styles are so compatible.

Angie Colee: But, I mean, it was a lot of undoing and a lot of looking at kind of the Barbage and the noise that I got from society at about who you’re supposed to be as a business owner who you’re supposed to be as a Okay, when

Erin Marcus: did you how old are you? When did you figure

Angie Colee: this out? I am 39 about to be 40 And it’s it’s still an undoing like one of my girlfriends, who had an art business and is no longer with us Rest rest in peace, mary she and I used to talk about southern women syndrome and how we were socialized to be a lot and I’m not Blaming anything.

Angie Colee: I just know the message that I grew up with and the belief that I grew up with and I started to Do a lot of therapy do a lot of journaling and trying to unpack all of those things and I realized I always had this fear when I first Entered the business arena that I had to be quote unquote professional.

Angie Colee: There was a certain way. Oh my god. That’s Dress. Yeah, and if I didn’t do it, I was gonna scare people away And then, like, I’ve, I’ve, I can’t condense all of these years of unlearning I’ve done down into, like, a pithy statement, but I knew it had come full circle when I put my book out for beta readers, I’m working on a book called Permission to Kick Ass, and one of them came back and said, Oh my gosh, this is amazing, and I know somebody who could really use it, and she would never read it because you swear, and I said, Great, then it’s not for her.

Angie Colee: It’s not and she was like really and I was like, yeah if you’re so distracted by the fact that I drop f bombs and I use really weird imagery and Crazy stories about like accidentally flashing my butt on stage with my band one time If that’s distracting and you’re not going to pick up on the lesson Then i’m not the right business coach for you and i’d rather have those stories Be out there in front acting as a filter to where you go.

Angie Colee: This lady’s crazy. How does she know anything about business? Well, cool. If you don’t get it, you don’t get it. It’s fine.

Erin Marcus: It’s so true. And you know, I had the same thing because I come out, I’m older than you by a bit and a half. But I come out of corporate and I come out of corporate and financial services, boots, you know, like.

Erin Marcus: Banks, insurance companies,

Angie Colee: and I’m more buttoned down than me.

Erin Marcus: Right, well, and here’s the thing though, I was allowed, truthfully, I really was allowed to let the freak flag fly, much more than anyone else in the business. Because I was a department of one, and truthfully, I delivered. I delivered. And when you perform That, you know, when you deliver bottom line, you’re going to have more wiggle room.

Erin Marcus: It

Angie Colee: just came into that. But that being

Erin Marcus: said, when I left corporate, I went, you know, the first step was a franchise. Okay, that came with its own logo and imagery. But then once I started this business, I absolutely went through. through a phase. I now know that it was one of the key contributors to Aaron’s year of failure of trying to think what was I supposed to be doing as opposed to what I wanted to be doing.

Angie Colee: Yes. Oh, can we, I just want to fire supposed to and should like, I just want to eliminate those entrepreneurial vocabulary, burn it down. Well, and here’s

Erin Marcus: the other thing, and I get it, I get it, especially for beginners, you’re worried about money, you want to get a client, you’re not sure what you’re doing, there’s a whole lot of fear, there’s a whole lot of scarcity, but it’s very difficult, I found it difficult for a time being, to realize that my authenticity was going to save me time, and make me money, because it doesn’t feel like that in

Angie Colee: the beginning.

Angie Colee: It feels like you’re scaring all of the business away. Yes. You have to consciously shift your mindset, especially at the beginning, to realizing not only can I not physically, literally, work with every person on the face of this earth, I don’t like

Erin Marcus: every person on the face of this earth, and just because

Angie Colee: they’re waving money in my face and they have a project that I happen to be able to do doesn’t mean I have to work with them.

Angie Colee: And if I say no to this, there’s going to be another opportunity with somebody that I can work with along in short order, because there’s almost 8 billion people on the face of the earth. And that’s just the way of life. And it’s

Erin Marcus: so interesting, like when I I got my MBA when I was like 37. The fact that I have to remember and think about that should tell you how much older I am.

Erin Marcus: Like, when was that? But, we read, one of the books I read was Richard Branson’s the guy from Virgin. One of his books about saying no. And he absolutely, unequivocally says the reason he got to where he is is because of how much he says no to. Like, it doesn’t matter, you can offer him, and people would do it, they would offer him increasing amounts of money to do the thing they wanted him to do, but if that wasn’t his focus at the time, he, there was no dollar amount that was gonna sway

Angie Colee: him.

Angie Colee: Yeah. You have to make space for what you want to come into your life. If you’re busy and wrapped up in other things, when that dream, job, that dream client comes along, how are you gonna say yes to that? You’re probably not even gonna see it because you’re so busy. That’s happened to me more times than I can count where I had to say no and trust.

Angie Colee: And I think that’s exactly what that means. Just trust that my gut is telling me this is not the right opportunity. This is not the right time for a reason, and this will all become clear as soon as the, so what’s your indicator?

Erin Marcus: How do you know? What’s your indicator?

Angie Colee: Usually, it starts as a gut feeling of something is not quite right here.

Angie Colee: I’m a little bit either bothered by this interaction or I’m feeling a lot of stress when I go into conversations with this person. I have found that my best projects, my best coaching engagements, my best consultations have always been one of ease. And it took me a long time to arise at that, like, Oh, I don’t have to make this hard work.

Angie Colee: I can be not

Erin Marcus: a mess. And this is

Angie Colee: great. Yeah. We can just like each other and do really good work and keep it casual and it doesn’t have to be like Angie shows up with her briefcase and sets up a whiteboard and then like make, we trust each other, we do good work together and it can be pretty casual. I don’t know if that answered the question or not.

Angie Colee: It does. I, you know,

Erin Marcus: one of the things that I’ve learned, to your point, clenching of any

Angie Colee: score is not a good indicator. And avoidance.

Erin Marcus: Resistance. Avoidance. Yes. And you know another one, I was working, I’m sure you’ve seen this because I was working on this with a client today. When you find yourself in reaction mode, right, getting pulled in 85 different directions by the thing.

Erin Marcus: something’s, you’ve lost control, not like in a scary control way, but like you’ve lost the leadership position. You’ve lost and I had that in my last business with clients because they were, I worked with the elderly and they were in horrible traumatic situations and their families were involved. And so the overwhelming emotion of it, and I found every now and then, if you’d get these powerful emotional personalities, I would get caught up in it.

Erin Marcus: And all of a sudden you’re like, wait a minute, wait a minute, I’m the expert here, I know how to do this. Mm hmm. But you can get swept away by other people’s chaos very easily.

Angie Colee: Oh, absolutely. Super easily. And I think that you brought that up, like, swept away the emotion of it. If you’re Feeling strong feelings now is not the time to act.

Angie Colee: My one of my mentors in business, a brilliant lady by the name of Marcella Allison. I was going through a very unexpected nasty breakup at one point and I was getting ready to do a presentation to one of her groups and she’s like, we can take over, we can do this. And I said, no, I need something to keep me focused right now because otherwise I’m going to wallow.

Angie Colee: And she says, that’s really good. Here’s the gauge that I use to know when it’s time to quit. Never make a big decision when you are hungry, angry, lonely, or tired. Halt. And I went, oh, that’s brilliant. When you’re making decisions from those, it is a reactive position. It is a fearful position. You are making choices that aren’t always acting in your best interest because it’s that fear reaction.

Angie Colee: You’re not stopping to weigh the pros and cons. It’s hierarchy of needs.

Erin Marcus: Yeah. It’s based like, right. It’s the hierarchy of needs. When you’re scared, when you’re hungry, when you’re upset, you’re really back at the bottom of the pyramid of safety. Mm-Hmm. , how are you supposed to make a decision from self-actualization?

Erin Marcus: Yes. When you’re trying to just, you know, the hungry thing is me. There’s been.

Angie Colee: There’s been a few

Erin Marcus: incidents, you know, there was an old lady at the grocery store that was on the receiving end. There was a lady at the bank that was on the receiving end. I should not be. What were those Betty White commercials?

Erin Marcus: You’re not you when you’re hungry. Oh yeah. Yeah. That’s not what your mom said. I have a little bit of that in me. Me too. A little bit

Angie Colee: of that in me. That happened to me literally just yesterday. Like, I kind of glossed over it, but I’ve been working on it. I’ve been working on it for five years. Because I’m Attached to it and it’s a labor of love and every first time author I think goes through this like rollercoaster of emotions, right?

Angie Colee: And I had a moment yesterday I texted my friends first of all always have good friends that you can text when you’re having moments like that because we all have them and I was like i’m convinced Brains are dumb I’m convinced everybody is going to hate this and i’m working very hard for nothing and people are going to laugh and blah blah blah And later on when I ate dinner and I could hear my stomach grumbling and being like yes Thank you for giving me food I immediately texted my friends back and said you know that that meme that says if you’re convinced everybody hates you, you should probably eat something and if you’re convinced you hate everyone, you should probably take a nap.

Angie Colee: I think that’s what happened earlier, because I had like a breakfast sandwich and then went into Edis all day long. Yeah,

Erin Marcus: say it again, if you’re convinced do that again, I have not heard that one, that is perfect.

Angie Colee: If you’re convinced everybody hates you, you should probably eat something. If you’re convinced you hate everyone, you should probably take a nap.

Angie Colee: Me, that now I understand. Yes. And I ate something and I didn’t feel bad anymore yesterday. That was amazing. And

Erin Marcus: here, you know, and I, I tell people all the time, give yourself a break, but don’t let yourself off the hook.

Angie Colee: Yes. Humans,

Erin Marcus: we are up against, like, we are up against neuroscience. This is not working in your favor.

Erin Marcus: And at all. Like even a little bit. Like even a little bit. So let yourself off the hook a little bit. Or you know, give yourself a break. But don’t let yourself off the hook, meaning you still gotta take care of it. Yes. And I have started to learn to go, Oh look, Aaron’s being human. Right?

Angie Colee: Heaven forbid.

Angie Colee: We’re in business with other human beings and humans get a human. Humans get a

Erin Marcus: human. Though my favorite meme is the, the cartoon dog. Having coffee, and the whole room is on fire, and he’s like, it’s fine, everything’s fine, that’s mermaids, it’s fine,

Angie Colee: it’s fine. There’s another one too, with like two little girls in life jackets in a canoe that’s slowly sinking.

Angie Colee: And they’re still just paddling away as this canoe is sinking under the water, it’s hilarious. I think a lot of us feel like that in business on any given day. And that’s why I love having friends like you in business that help me step back and be like, look, look behind you. I know that you are looking ahead of you at how far you have to go until you get where you want to go.

Angie Colee: But have you looked behind you and not only seen all the progress that you made, but all the people that are trying to catch up to you? Yeah, I mean,

Erin Marcus: it’s. This whole focus on what’s next, the to do list, what do we want, what are we creating, and I used to very much flippantly during different groups, I’m in three wins, you know, I used to be very flippant about it.

Erin Marcus: But it’s not, I mean, Dan Sullivan gap versus the gain, you can only. If you haven’t read that, I highly recommend it. Oh, it’s here, it’s right there. I haven’t. Gap, the Gap vs. the Gain. Gap vs. the Gain, okay. And I’m a big fan, you’ll love it, because I’m a big fan when I’m trying to do something of getting really black or white.

Erin Marcus: Because most of my work is grey. Truthfully, I’m okay with like 99, like most of my work is grey, I don’t believe, but There’s certain times I’ve gotta put my little safety bubble on and get really black and white. This is moving me towards my goal or away from my goal because there is no standing still.

Erin Marcus: And what, and so this idea of am I in the gap or am I in the game? Mm. Am I in the gap or am I in the game? And you can only do this by comparing yourself to where you were. Mm-Hmm. . That’s it. You do not compare yourself to anything except where you previously were.

Angie Colee: Yeah. Exactly. I, I have another friend that’s fond of saying if, okay, so if you say I would give anything to have what somebody else has, right?

Angie Colee: You’ve caught yourself in that comparison trap, which we all do. Welcome to being human. It’s okay. Would you trade everything about your life for everything about their life in order to get that thing? You know, I use the example of, I’m a little bit sporty and I try a whole bunch of things, but Olympian athlete, I am not.

Angie Colee: So would I give anything to be standing on that podium wearing a gold? Look at their lives. Oh my God. That’s so hard. Oh, I’m not getting up at three or four o’clock in the morning for a day of workouts. Yeah. Just for a chance. And that’s, that’s me like elevating these people and admiring their effort and their dedication so, so much because.

Angie Colee: I can’t do that. That’s just not me. I don’t want it as badly as they do. So I cede. Go ahead. Be excellent. You’re amazing. I’m not going to trade places with you because I don’t want it as badly. It’s okay.

Erin Marcus: And that’s fine. And letting go of what you don’t want. Mm hmm. Being okay with everything you don’t want.

Erin Marcus: Going back to what you’re supposed to want and should want.

Angie Colee: Oh yeah, and like, speaking of should want, has anybody ever heard of the 10, 000 a month, 100, 000 a year? That’s another should. That’s, that’s good marketing out there getting you and saying this is what you should be making if you’re in business. You can make whatever you want to.

Erin Marcus: You know, that’s one of my things.

Erin Marcus: Like, I work with people, my, most of my clients are either already in the multiple six and in a seven figures, or they’re on their way. And one of the things that I have said all along is, The one thing I cannot answer for you is what do you want? And there’s no wrong answer. My whole thing is you can want whatever you want.

Erin Marcus: You want a hobby business, you want a side hustle, you want eight figure business, whatever you want. It’s all good. Is no wrong answer as long as you are choosing it. Yes. As long as you are choosing it because it’s legitimately what you want, not because you’re settling, not because of any limiting belief, not because of any other reason except, Dude, I don’t want to freaking work that hard.

Erin Marcus: Or, Oh my God, I want to work every day. Both are perfectly fine. As long as you’re

Angie Colee: choosing it. There are people at all levels of business from, so I know folks who do, gosh, I can’t remember exactly what the the name of the site is, but there’s a site where you can volunteer At different locations like do hard labor or volunteer work in another capacity in exchange for room and board and they will go there and they will volunteer for half their day and they might do a couple of hours of freelancing and then they spend all the rest of their time exploring other countries, other locations.

Angie Colee: That’s, they’re not making six figures a year they don’t want to.

Erin Marcus: They build a different version of a life.

Angie Colee: And there are folks out there that are like, yes, eight figures or bust. Cool. Let’s figure out a way to get you there that doesn’t kill you in the process. That would be great. Like, let’s keep you around to enjoy that.

Angie Colee: Right.

Erin Marcus: And those are my people who figure it out. Like, it’s not, those are my people. It’s because it really is about work, different work, not more work. Yes.

Angie Colee: It’s different. I like that. Different work, not more work. It’s

not

Erin Marcus: more work. It’s not more work. It’s

Angie Colee: different work. We’ve all got the same 24 hours a day, right?

Angie Colee: And I love when people get all upset, but like, Beyonce has 24 hours a day, but she also has millions and millions of dollars and a large staff. So if you’re not, if you’re not at that place do what you can in the 24 hours you’ve got.

Erin Marcus: It’s different work, not more work. All right. Awesome. You’re amazing.

Erin Marcus: We could keep going on. We’ll do round two for both of us. If people want to continue this conversation with you, and I highly, highly, highly recommend they do. What is the easiest way for them to find you?

Angie Colee: You can find me on almost all forms of social media as either Angie Coley, A N G I E C O L E E.

Angie Colee: Deceptively simple name or permission to kick ass. You can visit my website, permission to kick ass. com. That’s all one word. That’s where you’ll find out more about my podcast, which Aaron has also been a guest on. I try to keep it fun because that’s one of my principles is that business should be fun.

Angie Colee: If I’m working this hard to build something, I should want to have fun with it. This is the secret.

Erin Marcus: This is the secret that everyone, that shacks everyone. Most of what I do. Is to entertain myself. Love it. Most of what I do is to entertain myself. Mm hmm. You can come with, but it’s happening

Angie Colee: regardless.

Angie Colee: Exactly. I mean, everybody that I do business with is somebody that I would be happy having a meal, hanging out at a bar, or going and doing some weird tourist trap thing with. Like, those are the people that I like to work with. And that’s fine. So that’s where you can find me. I am in the process of publishing my book also called Permission to Kick Ass.

Angie Colee: We’ll have links. We’ll have links. Yes, we will have links. I would love if you get that if you tell me how and if it changes anything about how you’re doing your business and yeah, so that’s it.

Erin Marcus: Awesome. Well, thank you for spending time with me today. You are always so much fun. I love it. Thank

Angie Colee: you.

Angie Colee: Right back at you.

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